CAD Forum - Database of tips, tricks and utilities for AutoCAD, Inventor and other Autodesk products [www.cadforum.cz]
CZ | EN | DE
Login or
registration
  Visitors: 7012
RSS channel - CAD tips RSS tips
RSS discussions

Discussion Discussion forum

 

HelpCAD discussion

 
CAD Forum - Homepage CAD discussion forum - ask any CAD-related questions here, share your CAD knowledge on AutoCAD, Inventor, Revit and other Autodesk software with your peers from all over the world. To start a new topic, choose an appropriate forum.

Please abide by the rules of this forum.

How to post questions: register or login, go to the specific forum and click the NEW TOPIC button.
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedSoftware recommendation

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>
Author
marvins View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 31.Jan.2017
Location: Canada
Using: none
Status: Offline
Points: 2
Direct Link To This Post Topic: Software recommendation
    Posted: 31.Jan.2017 at 20:58
Hi there,

I was wondering if there are some options for software which edits basic CAD 2D drawings. 

Our company does construction equipment rentals, and we'll need a user to be able to open a dwg file, and be able to insert our own dwg (blocks) into the drawing to plan where each piece of equipment goes. I'm assuming everything scales automatically?

Free would be nice, but something not too costly?

Thanks in advance.
Back to Top
Robert_D View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 21.Oct.2013
Location: United States
Using: BricsCAD v21, AutoCAD2006
Status: Offline
Points: 207
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31.Jan.2017 at 23:50
Draftsight (free) is well respected.
(There are many other reasonably priced paid alternatives as well)
"assuming everything scales automatically?"
Not necessarily. Depends on the drawing units of the native dwg.
Once you've taken time to tutor yourself in the basics of your CAD program's units, you should have no problem scaling either YOUR drawings, or the NATIVE drawing to make everything compatible.
Back to Top
John Connor View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 01.Feb.2011
Location: United States
Using: AutoCAD 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 7175
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01.Feb.2017 at 00:25
Were your blocks done in a 1:1 scale (i.e. - full size)?

Draftsight is a free 2D CAD program by Dassault Systemes makers of Solidworks.  There is also a Draftsight Pro version now but it will cost you.  I'm not sure what the price is.  Draftsight is an AutoCAD clone and is pretty similar to AutoCAD LT not full AutoCAD.  The website where you download DS also has a Getting Started guide for new users and DS has an online forum for users to ask questions, get help and exchange ideas.


"Humans have a strength that cannot be measured. This is John Connor. If you are reading this, you are the resistance."

<<AutoCAD 2015>>

Back to Top
Vladimir Michl View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group

Arkance Systems CZ

Joined: 26.Jul.2007
Location: Czech Republic
Using: Autodesk software
Status: Offline
Points: 2018
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01.Feb.2017 at 12:04
Unfortunately Draftsight does not read or write full DWGs (not 100% compatible files). So you may consider AutoCAD LT or AutoCAD Mobile (AutoCAD 360).
Vladimir Michl (moderator)
Arkance Systems - arkance-systems.cz - Autodesk reseller
Back to Top
John Connor View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 01.Feb.2011
Location: United States
Using: AutoCAD 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 7175
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01.Feb.2017 at 12:17
Originally posted by Vladimir Michl Vladimir Michl wrote:

Unfortunately Draftsight does not read or write full DWGs (not 100% compatible files). So you may consider AutoCAD LT or AutoCAD Mobile (AutoCAD 360).


Please clarify as that sounds like total BS to me.  What is your definition of a "full" drawing?

Maybe you were referring to the version of AutoCAD that Draftsight can read?  It is a known fact Draftsight can read .dwg and .dxf versions as early as 2.5 and at least to 2010.  Personally, I haven't tested it for the ability to read 2013 file formats but that would be immaterial to many users like the OP above.

Addendum: Just tested.  DS cannot open an AutoCAD drawing saved in 2013 file format.

Re: Price of Draftsight Pro.  It is being sold for $299 U.S. and that includes the first year subscription.  To renew the subscription a yearly fee of $99 U.S. will be charged.

For comparison, AutoCAD LT 2017 current sells for $360 for a single year license, $685 for a two year license, and $970 for a three year license.


Edited by John Connor - 01.Feb.2017 at 12:37
"Humans have a strength that cannot be measured. This is John Connor. If you are reading this, you are the resistance."

<<AutoCAD 2015>>

Back to Top
Vladimir Michl View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group

Arkance Systems CZ

Joined: 26.Jul.2007
Location: Czech Republic
Using: Autodesk software
Status: Offline
Points: 2018
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01.Feb.2017 at 12:56
Draftsight and other "clones" (fakes) do not fully understand all DWG entities (read) and it does not create fully compatible DWG files (write). The use a .DWG extension, not DWG format. While it may be sufficient for simple drawings, there is a risk of losing information when a standard (genuine) DWG is processed (read and written) in Draftsight.
 
You can test it yourself with our older benchmark drawing - BUDWEISER.DWG - www.cadstudio.cz/budweiser
 
Vladimir Michl (moderator)
Arkance Systems - arkance-systems.cz - Autodesk reseller
Back to Top
John Connor View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 01.Feb.2011
Location: United States
Using: AutoCAD 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 7175
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01.Feb.2017 at 13:18
Most users are not going to experience that problem.  I can open any 2D drawing I've created with AutoCAD using the latest version of Draftsight without the loss of information.  These drawings can be site plans, P&ID's, PFD's, block diagrams, electrical schematics, architectural floor plans, elevations and sections as well as any tank fabrication drawings sent to us by outside vendors who also use AutoCAD.  And if the drawings have been saved to 2013 file format I could, if I really needed (obviously I don't), use DWG Trueview to open and save the drawing to the 2010 file format and then open them.  On the other hand I've had AutoCAD 2017 refuse to open drawings created using AutoCAD 2013 (one of the worst releases ever) yet I've been able to open the drawings using Draftsight.  The drawings were saved to 2010 file format too.  That got AutoDesk's attention when I sent them a sample file.  To this day no one at AutoDesk has been able to come up with an explanation for the problem. 
"Humans have a strength that cannot be measured. This is John Connor. If you are reading this, you are the resistance."

<<AutoCAD 2015>>

Back to Top
Robert_D View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 21.Oct.2013
Location: United States
Using: BricsCAD v21, AutoCAD2006
Status: Offline
Points: 207
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01.Feb.2017 at 14:22
I'm confused. OP is asking for software options, but later poster qualifies only Autodesk products.
"They use a .DWG extension, not DWG format"
Not true; they use dwg format.
"Unfortunately Draftsight does not read or write full DWGs"
Don't understand this either. If you're looking for "software which edits basic CAD 2D drawings." you should have no problems at all.
I've been using one of the "fake / clones" for years. I've collaborated with dozens of associates around the world, and they with me (most I assume are using Autodesk) and I (or they) have never had an issue.
PS: I DL'd the BUDWEISER.DWG and didn't see what the point is..everything appeared fine.

Edited by Robert_D - 01.Feb.2017 at 14:25
Back to Top
John Connor View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 01.Feb.2011
Location: United States
Using: AutoCAD 2018
Status: Offline
Points: 7175
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01.Feb.2017 at 14:38
I think Vlad is making reference to the Open Design Alliance and the various .DWG formats they have come up with.  From one of the alliance's own reports...

Originating in the late 1970s, drawing files created with microcomputer based computer aided design software were saved with the .dwg extension. In the early 1980s, Autodesk® released AutoCAD® which eventually became the most used CAD software in the world and which used Autodesk’s undocumented  and proprietary DWG™ file format (using the .dwg extension).  The Open Design Specification for .dwg files serves AutoCAD’s undocumented and proprietary DWG file format. This specification includes DWG file format versions 13 up to and including version 2013.

Further, the Open Design Specification for .dwg files serves the Teigha® software development platform of the Open Design Alliance.  While our Open Design Specification for .dwg files is able to read and write .dwg files with excellent AutoCAD compatibility, we continue to work to improve our understanding of all the data in a .dwg file.


If you are the kind of person who gets off on minutiae then follow this link where you'll find the 256 page report detailing the Open Design Specification for .dwg files Version 5.3.  Read a few pages of this and you'll fall fast asleep in no time.  LOL

https://www.opendesign.com/files/guestdownloads/OpenDesign_Specification_for_.dwg_files.pdf



Edited by John Connor - 01.Feb.2017 at 16:09
"Humans have a strength that cannot be measured. This is John Connor. If you are reading this, you are the resistance."

<<AutoCAD 2015>>

Back to Top
Vladimir Michl View Drop Down
Moderator Group
Moderator Group

Arkance Systems CZ

Joined: 26.Jul.2007
Location: Czech Republic
Using: Autodesk software
Status: Offline
Points: 2018
Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01.Feb.2017 at 21:51
We are dealing (support calls) with faked .DWG files quite frequently - they are causing various incompatibilities both in other "cloned" CAD software (each one uses its subvariant of the genuine DWG file format) and in AutoCAD itself. The Budweiser test shows some of the usual incompatibilities - if you open it in non-AutoCAD software, the test-case pairs (images) differ.
Vladimir Michl (moderator)
Arkance Systems - arkance-systems.cz - Autodesk reseller
Back to Top

Related CAD tips:


 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0,367 seconds.