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Topic ClosedLines Get Fatter in Paper Space

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    Posted: 09.Jul.2012 at 23:56

I have a drawing in model space, created of color dependent lines that have no thickness and it looks perfect. When I look at the sheet in paper space, the model space lines have all become fat, like polylines with width assigned, though the sheet border in paper space looks fine. This was not always the case - it just happened and I am not sure what I did to cause it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10.Jul.2012 at 04:16
Odds are good that the Plot Style is taking the colors and applying width to them.  Open it up and have a look under the hood.
 
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< id="_npwlo" ="application/npwlo" height="0">I'm brand new to this forum, and I'm hoping the experience here will help me get started. I've used AutoCad LT 2004 before, but for simple drawings without using a template. Most of my work is done in SolidWorks, but the Engineer I'm making the drawings for wants them in AutoCad LT 2004.

The CAD drawings for the Engineer are designs for septic systems. The plots of land the systems go on range from 10,000ftsq to 1 kmsq. There are also detailed component layouts for the same drawing package.

I'd like to set myself up to make it as easy as possible every time we get a new contract. Ideally, the template would be set up to use 11 x 17 paper with the title block I design. I also have to be able to set the scale appropriate for each different drawing after the template is opened.

So.............How do I create the template and then adjust the scale to match the drawing?

This may seem simple, but I'm struggling to make it work on my own. any help would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks in advance,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10.Jul.2012 at 23:56
You want to use 11x17's?  I'd think a 24x36 would be better.

AutoCAD LT 2004?  Were you planning on utilizing paper space layouts and viewports or doing everything in model space?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11.Jul.2012 at 00:57
Thanks for the quick reply.

The engineer wants everything in 11 x 17. I think that's all his printer is capable of, and this size probably makes a nice neat package for the government agency he submits the drawings and paperwork to. 

I don't really know much about paper space layouts and view ports, so most of my work is in model space.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11.Jul.2012 at 07:09
I'm half tempted to reinstall my old 2004 LT version again just to see what you're up against.  I can't honestly remember what it featured and what it didn't!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11.Jul.2012 at 07:55
Thanks Dave.

I appreciate you thinking of reinstaling this ancient version to help me out. Unfortunately I haven't had any other responses yet, and I need to get going on this. I'm sure you're free time is limited, but I'd sure appreciate the help.

Thanks in advance for anything you can do,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11.Jul.2012 at 10:37

Well, I'm not doing much other than watching a recording of the All Star game tonite... so I *did* reinstall 2004 LT for the fun of it.  Or for the shock of it - I'm so used to 2012 now!  I missed my ribbon.  :)

But it was worth it for a couple interesting things none the less.  I saved out my primary 2012 DWT file as a 2004 DWG.  This contains the paper space title blocks I use almost daily for ANSI A (8.5x11) and ANSI B (11x17) paper.  Then I opened that in 2004 and saved it out as a template file.  When I opened a new 2004 drawing using it everything but one feature worked.  My title blocks are fully annotated and in some cases use custom fields.  In 2012 I pull the Layout tab name from a system variable field and use it to complete the Sht number.  This didn't work in 2004, but everything else did.

 

The 2004 template also handled of all the text and dimstyles I'd created in the 2012 file.  But their annotative features won't work because there is no cannoscale variable in 2004. 

 

But... the idea of printing from paper space (Layouts) is virtually unchanged in all these years.  It's a bit easier now, but still workable and worth learning in 2004.  It'll serve you well when you do move up to a new version of ACAD.  You have an ANSI B template in your folder that ships with LT.  Start a new file and use the ANSI B – Named or Color Dependent Plot Style DWT.  These both contain an ANSI B Layout tab with a sample title block that you can modify to your company standard.  I would suggest you delete the Viewport that is already on it before you resave it as your new DWT.

 

Remember that DWT files can contain a lot of stuff to help you standardize your work and save you time.  You want to include all standard layers, dimension and text and table styles you might want in new drawings.  Template files are never really done or complete... you’ll continue to improve them as you learn and do new things.

 

I plot from paper space all the time and you can in 2004 too.  I plot to DWFs using the DWF to pc3 plot style because (1) I frequently need to send others DWFs for review purposes, but also (2) because I like to plot to PDFs as well, and for my money the Design Review program creates better PDFs than AutoCAD does.  Design Review 2013 is free.  If you don’t already have it, get it.

 

Spend a little time after you do some of the above and study the concept of Viewports, how to create them, how to scale them, and how they work in paper space.  Create your own text and dimension styles if you don’t already have them.  Mess around with all this a little bit and come back with questions as you have them.  You’ll find that plotting from paper space now (even in 2004) is easier than doing it from model space.

 
In the meantime I'll be jangling my memory to try and recall how I used to plot with this version myself!  I've learned a thing or two since then ... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11.Jul.2012 at 11:37
Here's a quick and dirty practise exercise for you:
 
1.  Open one of your current drawings.
2.  Go to the Layout tab and right click.  Select From Template and load the ANSI B - Color Dependent Plot Styles.DWT.  A new tab will become available on the status bar.  Click on it (ANSI B Title Block).
3.  Double click inside the large open section of the template.  The border (the viewport) will get bold.  You've "activated" the viewport.  You're now in Model space.
4.  Zoom Extents.  Everything in your model should be visible.
5.  Double click anywhere outside of the viewport.  When you do this correctly the bold viewport line will be thin again.
 
To plot from here you'll need to configure a few things.
 
Right click the ANSI B Title Block tab.
Select the Plot Device tab and change None to DWF6 ePlot.pc3
Change the Plot style table setting to monochrome.ctb
Select the Layout Settings tab and make the paper size ANSI full bleed B (17x11 Inches)
Drawing Orientation should be Landscape
Make the Plot area Layout
Make sure the "Display when creating a new layout" box is checked.
Click OK
 
Right click the ANSI B Title Block tab again.  This time click Plot.
The Plot Settings tab looks the same, but the Plot Device tab contains a "Plot to file" section.  Change the File name and path to somewhere you'll remember (I have a dedicated DWF Files folder).
Click the Full Preview button. 
Click OK and plot your drawing.  If things don't look centered you may have to change the Plot Offsets... I did.  I ended up with x= .60 and y=.37 and it looked good enough for binding.
 
Now open this in Design Review.  Print it to your plotter.  Print a copy to a PDF.  Experiment with different print sizes.
 
We haven't dealt with scaling yet, but you're on your way!  Let some of this sink in first.  There's more. :)
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11.Jul.2012 at 16:00
Thanks Dave,
 
I'll try it tonight when I get home. Let ya know how it works.
 
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