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pschultz
12.03.2011, 02:18
Does anyone know where I can get a 3d block of a tote tank or IBC container?  Gallonage not important. 
Thanks!...........Pat

John Connor
12.03.2011, 12:02
How detailed does it have to be?  I don't have one but I do believe I have a 2D drawing somewhere done to scale that could easily be converted to 3D.  We use tote bins to transfer small chemical batches between pilot plants and for small quantities of raw material.

pschultz
13.03.2011, 04:35
Good question!  Not very at all.  The scale being viewed is approx 1:200 metric.  Just needs to be recognized as such.  Was trying to save time by using an existing and add it to my 3d library.
How easy is it to convert to 3d?  Do you mean you would do or would be easy for me to do?
 
We use totes for small batch filling to 5 gal containers.  This plan I'm working on is for a Peruvian mfg facility we are looking to build.  Trying to get the concept built for our contractors & architects down there.

John Connor
13.03.2011, 13:24
I think it would be relatively easy for you to do depending on how much detail is required.  Do you have a 2D drawing to work with? John Connor2011-03-14 17:48:45

John Connor
14.03.2011, 14:55
Have you completed your 3D tote tank drawing yet?

pschultz
14.03.2011, 18:08
Am starting now.  I do have plan, elev & iso views of a 250 gal tote.  Will use those to build one.  Since I know will use for future projects, is worth the time to build it.

John Connor
14.03.2011, 18:35
OK.  It's worth the exercise.  I built my 3D version this morning.  Have fun.

pschultz
14.03.2011, 18:49
Excellent!  Wanna share?  Is there a way to attach a file?  I'm new to the forum.  Wish I had rounded the corners more but have seen sharper corners on some models. 

John Connor
14.03.2011, 18:58
[QUOTE=pschultz]Excellent!  Wanna share?  Is there a way to attach a file?  I'm new to the forum.  Wish I had rounded the corners more but have seen sharper corners on some models.  [/QUOTE]
I think that could be arranged at some point.
I asked the same question re: attaching files last week.  An answer was posted.  You can probably find the thread easily enough.
I rounded my corners and put a little more detail into some areas than I had originally planned on.  I guess I got a bit carried away.

John Connor
15.03.2011, 14:17
So, where you at dude?  Making progress I hope.  I'm adding some further detail to mine on top where the cover is.  Might as well "pimp my ride"!  LOL


 
OK...I'm done.  Really.  Done.
I've added the lock ring around the cover on top with the tabs for the bolt and the bolt itself.  I refuse to add threads to the bolt as that would be way overkill don't you think?John Connor2011-03-15 16:46:23

John Connor
16.03.2011, 11:11
The finished product.

John Connor2011-03-16 11:12:48

pschultz
16.03.2011, 18:09
Great Detail!  No point in detailing mine as blocks are used in large manufacturing scene.  Here's mine. (how did you upload your image?)
 
I have IE 6 and do not see that Image Upload box in the lower left corner when I activate the camera button above.  It's just not there. Guess that's it for me.pschultz2011-03-16 18:40:23

John Connor
16.03.2011, 18:30
They ought to pay me for doing this.  Third time today I've been asked.
 
http://www.cadforum.cz/forum_en/forum_posts.asp?TID=5421&PID=13802#13802

John Connor
16.03.2011, 22:48
You could upgrade to IE 8.

pschultz
16.03.2011, 23:17
Not at work I can't.  Am limited by IT's decisions.  We're a very large company.  Maybe my home PC.

John Connor
17.03.2011, 11:00
It sounds like your IT is not on the ball.  The beta for IE 9 just came out this week and your company is still using IE 6?  Someone is getting paid a lot of money for that lapse in judgement.
 
Well, I'd still like to see your version of a tote bin.  Afterall, I showed you mine!  LOL

pschultz
17.03.2011, 11:41

Yeah, Dude, wanna show you mine too!!  Kinda proud of the simple little guy!
 
I have IE8 at home but STILL do not see the upload box at lower left of http:\ link list!  HOWEVER!  I was able to upload my 3d block to the forum CAD BLOCKS section.  You can find it there and render it.  Called 3D-TOTE.DWG under MECHANICAL\TANKS section.
 
I wish the heck I knew what my problem was with uploading files.  I've got no place on the web to upload the jpg.  Tried using file:\\[path]\3D-TOTE-1.jpeg to no avail either.

pschultz
17.03.2011, 11:47
Take that back.  Is under PIPE & PID\tanks.

John Connor
17.03.2011, 11:47
I too had some initial troubles and I think it was as a result of my inquires that the thread I provided the link to was initiated.  I'll go check out your 3D-TOTE.dwg right now.  Thanks.

John Connor
17.03.2011, 12:13
I checked out your tote bin.  It's a different type than what I am used to seeing where I work, most notably the top.  I can see where your block would work well in a 1:200 drawing.  Just enough detail to define the tote but not so much that it adds appreciably to the overall file size if dozens of totes were placed in a drawing.
I'm located in Connecticut.  Where are you located?
I should probably upload my tote at some point.  I also have a nice 3D drawing of a level probe that I've been meaning to upload as well.
Thanks for sharing.
So, what's our next assignment?  LOL

John Connor
17.03.2011, 13:25
Following your lead I took the plunge and uploaded my version of a 550 gallon tote bin with cover, vent, lock ring, drain pipe and valve.  I saved it to AutoCAD 2000 file format.  I did not render it.  Although I would someday like to try my hand at adding materials and rendering it just isn't part of what I need to do in my day-to-day job.
 
Currently I am working on a rehab of a 40 year old pipe rack.  It is under designed for the number of pipes it is currently holding, the placement of the pipe runs make walking the rack dangerous, and the supports on one end are undersized.  My job is to document what we have now and come up with a way of making it stronger, safer and easier for the pipe fitters to work off of.  I am tracing pipes, identifying them and reproducing the pipe rack in 3D.  If there were any drawings they were lost so I also have to field measure everything I need to draw which includes the pipe rack itself, all the pipes/conduits (25), and the supports at either end.  The rack connects two process buildings and is approximately 50 feet long.

pschultz
18.03.2011, 18:53
Being in chemical mfg business, we deal w/ pipe racks alot.  Know what you are talking about.  I have a great .lsp routine called LNTOPIPE.LSP that will flesh out a simple 3d polyline into 3d piping with your desired diameter and radii.  It's great!  And fast!  Let me know if you want it.
 
Boss just back from 5 week operation in China.  New plant going up that I helped design.  Am designing a mfg plant in Peru and doing some 3D work on production areas, hence the totes.
 
I design mfg, whs and offices (new and remodel) all over the world from US to Australia, being that I am the only Space Planner/Designer at corporate HQ for our company.  My DWGs then go to local architects for shop DWG production OR to local contractors, bypassing any further DWG enhancement, for build out.  VERY busy! Not much time to play with 3D and such so is a real treat when I can take a few minutes.  Sometimes is necessary to convey image to upper management for visualization.
 
Have many other 3D blocks I will upload when get a chance.  Boss going back to China in 1 week so will be getting what he needs before he leaves.  Then can breath again.

John Connor
18.03.2011, 19:11
That LNTOPIPE.lsp sounds very interesting.  I just finished the existing piperack itself which was constructed entirely of angle (2x2.5, 2x2, 1.5x15 all 0.25 thick).  Now I'm working on adding the existing supports (two of them).  I'm not worried about one of the supports because I designed it myself as a part of another job using 4" square tube x 0.375 wall but the other is an original support consisting of 2.5 square tubing x 0.25 wall.  It stands 15 feet high ("H" shaped) which is OK in and of itself but the amount of piping the company has added on over the years makes me worried that it is now under-designed for the weight it is holding.

pschultz
18.03.2011, 19:21
I'm no engineer so I let the locals design for weight and stress and I just show them WHERE we need the supports.
 
Where can I send or upload the lntopipe.lsp?

John Connor
18.03.2011, 19:29
I have unblocked my private email address for the next 10 minutes.  You may send the lisp file using it.  After 10 minutes I block it again.  By my clock it is 2:27 p.m. on the east coast of the U.S.  Go.

pschultz
18.03.2011, 19:50
Think I missed the window.  Here it is:
 
;From CADENCE Magazine November, 1990;Page 151
(defun C:lntopipe( / pre trad erad elist plist etyp                     enam vtx ang angbi edist ydist                     stp p1 p2 p3 lnam cp1 ax axpt)(setvar "cmdecho" 0)(setvar "blipmode" 0)(setq pre (getvar "ucsicon"))(setvar "ucsicon" 0)(setvar "osmode" 0)(command "ucs" "w")  (prompt "\n3D pipe with elbows")  (prompt "\nby Ted Schaefer - SEA   Tulsa, OK")   (initget (+ 1 2 3 8))   (setq trad (/ (getreal "\nPipe diameter: ") 2))   (initget (+ 1 2 3 8))   (setq erad (getreal "\nElbow radius: "))   (setq elist (entget (car (entsel "\nPick 3D/2D polyline: ")))         etyp (cdr (assoc 0 elist)))(if (/= etyp "POLYLINE")(*error* "Not a 2D/3D polyline"))(setq enam (entnext (cdr (assoc -1 elist)))      elist (entget enam)      plist (list (cdr (assoc 10 elist)))      enam (entnext enam)      elist (entget enam)) (while (= (cdr (assoc 0 elist)) "VERTEX")    (setq vtx (list (cdr (assoc 10 elist)))          plist (append plist vtx)          enam (entnext enam)          elist (entget enam))) (setq ll (length plist)       cntr 0)(setq p1 (nth cntr plist)      p2 (nth (+ cntr 1) plist)      p3 (nth (+ cntr 2) plist)      stp p1)(repeat (- ll 3)(command "UCS" "3P" (wu p2) (wu p1) (wu p3))(setq ang (angle (wu p2) (wu p3))      angbi (/ ang 2)      edist (/ erad (tan angbi))      ydist (/ erad (sin angbi)))(command "ucs" "za" (wu p2) (wu p1))(setq cp1 (uw (list 0 0 edist)))(command "circle" (wu cp1) trad)(setq cnam (entlast))(command "line" (wu cp1) (wu stp) "" )(setq lnam (entlast))(command "tabsurf" (list cnam (wu cp1)) (list lnam (wu cp1)))(entdel lnam)(command "UCS" "3" (wu p2) (wu p1) (wu p3))(command "ucs" "3" (list 0 0 0)   (list 0 0 1)(polar (list 0 0 0) angbi 1))(command "line" (list 0 ydist 0)(polar (getvar "lastpoint") 0 1) "")(setq ax (entlast)      axpt (uw (list 0 ydist 0))      ang (* (- pi ang) (/ -180 pi)))(command "revsurf" (list cnam (wu cp1))                   (list ax (wu axpt)) 0 ang)(entdel cnam)(entdel ax)(command "ucs" "za" (wu p2) (wu p3))(setq cntr (+ 1 cntr)      stp (uw (list 0 0 edist))      p1 (nth cntr plist)      p2 (nth (+ cntr 1) plist)       p3 (nth (+ cntr 2) plist)))(command "UCS" "3" (wu p2) (wu p1) (wu p3))(setq ang (angle (wu p2) (wu p3))      angbi (/ ang 2)      edist (/ erad (tan angbi))      ydist (/ erad (sin angbi)))(command "ucs" "za" (wu p2) (wu p1))(setq cp1 (uw (list 0 0 edist)))(command "circle" (wu cp1) trad)(setq cnam (entlast))(command "line" (wu cp1) (wu stp) "" )(setq lnam (entlast))(command "tabsurf" (list cnam (wu cp1)) (list lnam (wu cp1)))(entdel lnam)(command "UCS" "3" (wu p2) (wu p1) (wu p3))(command "ucs" "3" (list 0 0 0)   (list 0 0 1)(polar (list 0 0 0) angbi 1))(command "line" (list 0 ydist 0)(polar (getvar "lastpoint") 0 1) "")(setq ax (entlast)      axpt (uw (list 0 ydist 0))      ang (* (- pi ang) (/ -180 pi)))(command "revsurf" (list cnam (wu cp1))                   (list ax (wu axpt)) 0 ang)(entdel ax)(entdel cnam)(command "ucs" "za" (wu p3) (wu p2))(command "circle" '(0 0 0) trad)(setq cnam (list (entlast) '(0 0 0)))(command "line" '(0 0 0) (list 0 0 (- (distance p3 p2) edist)) "" )(setq lsel (list (entlast) '(0 0 0)))(command "tabsurf" cnam lsel)(command "erase" lsel cnam "")(setvar "ucsicon" pre)(command "UCS" "w")(Prompt "\nUCS now reset to world")(princ))
(defun uw (p1)(trans p1 1 0))(defun wu (p1)(trans p1 0 1))(defun tan ( a )(/ (sin a) (cos a)))(defun *error* (msg) (princ msg)(princ))
 

John Connor
18.03.2011, 19:58

I got distracted and the window was left open.  Sorry to put you through so much trouble.Yikes!  I remember Cadence magazine!  I guess we are both over 21.  LOLThanks.
John Connor2011-03-18 20:02:27

pschultz
18.03.2011, 20:01
No trouble.  Yeah, it's OLD but it still works like a champ in A2k10!!!