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    Posted: 23.Jul.2012 at 23:48
You are on the right track, but I would suggest creating layout templates for the ANSI A and ANSI B title blocks in the *same* drawing.  Here's why:
 
If you also include lots of other things like standard layers, text styles, dimension styles, table styles, and maybe a few other frequently used blocks, it'll be inconvenient to say the least to have to update them in separate drawings when you make changes.  By having all this stuff in one template file you only have one place to go and then resave as a DWT when you're done.
 
So when you have the ANSI A layout title block all working add a new layout and do the same setup for an ANSI B.  All the other things in the file will come along for the ride when you open a new drawing with this template.  And if the unused title block bothers you in a new drawing, simply delete the one you don't need.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23.Jul.2012 at 18:59
So.......to create the templates for ANSI A and B, I open a new drawing and draw 1 title block in layout only, with plot settings for ANSI A and save as a template (Say called ANSI A Title Block Template)? Then open another drawing and do the same thing except with plot settings for ANSI B, and also save as a template?

Sorry for the endless string of basic questions?

Am I on the right track?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17.Jul.2012 at 20:05
Yes, exactly.  That's what I do.  I have a template for ANSI A (8.5x11) and one for ANSI B (11x17) that are my primaries.
 
Right now your title block is in the model.  Eventually we want to get you to create a template where the title block is in Paper space (in the layout).  When it's really well built it will contain attributes and fields to quickly and consistently place the data that goes on it.
 
So we completely separate the functions.  The model is only the model.  The title block is only the title block.  You use them together by creating viewports "thru" the title block in paper space to reveal sections of the model that you want to print.  It's quite elegant.  You'll never go back to printing from the model once you understand this.
 
You're getting there!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17.Jul.2012 at 18:02
< id="_npwlo" ="application/npwlo" height="0">Will I need to create a new tab for each paper size and set up the scale, center model, etc? Sometimes I need to print on 8.5 x 11 as well as 11 x 17.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17.Jul.2012 at 00:33
If there is an "easy" way I'm not using it.  Here's what I do:
 
1.  Activate the viewport in the Layout;
2.  In Model space either zoom extents or zoom window the area I want in the viewport;
3.  De-activate the viewport to return to Layout space;
4.  Select the viewport and examine the scale;
5.  With the viewport window still selected change the scale to something standard (1:100, 1/4" = 1'-0", etc);
6.  Activate the viewport again and pan the view until everything is located the way I like (I'll do this by pressing and holding the scroll wheel button and dragging the model until it looks good.  This does not move the model!... it only changes where it is in the viewport;
7.  De-activate the viewport again;  and finally,
8.  LOCK the viewport!!!
 
It sounds like a lot of work.  It's not.  Once you get into the routine of doing it it's all done before you know it.
 
Try this.  Read #6 until that part is fully absorbed.  Big%20smile
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16.Jul.2012 at 21:40
Thanks Dave,

I'm making headway. Got each drawing in it's own tab and messed around with the scale until everything fit nice. Well.....almost!

Question, - Is there an easy way to center the drawing in the layout, besides adjusting the coordinates? Once it's centered, I can adjust the scale to make max use of the available paper size.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16.Jul.2012 at 09:23
Think of the Layout tabs like this:  as a big piece of paper covering your entire model.  When you cut a hole in the paper (a viewport) you see thru the paper and get to see the actual model.  But unlike an actual hole in the paper, with this one you can change the magnification factor.  That's the scale idea.

So, to start with, we'll go back to Step 0.  Go to your layout tab, Ctrl-A to select everything, and Delete.  You won't see anything now.  You just put a fresh sheet of paper on the layout.  Now type -VPORTS at the command line and if <Fit> is the default, simply hit the Enter key.  If <Fit> is not the default simply type 1 at the command line, stretch the rectangle to the opposite corner, and left click.  You'll have a viewport.  You can select it and change the size and fit from here if you want.

You should see *everything* in your model now.  You've effectively "cut" a hole in the paper now.  But this generally isn't what we want... we want to see just a part of the model.  Zoom Extents to make sure the entire layout is visible and then double click anywhere on the inside of the new viewport frame you created.  The viewport outline should be bold now because you "activated" it.  In fact, you're now working in Model space, but doing it from the Layout.

Now do a window zoom around one of the title block sections in your model.  This will fill your viewport.  If you now double click anywhere on the outside of the viewport frame the frame will return to a thin line and will no longer be active.  Anything you do now will be in the Layout space.

To see what the scale is of the viewport, single click the frame and look on the status bar.  A scale will be shown.  It will probably say "Custom".  You can change this to one of the standard scales that's provided or to something that fits your model.  It's important to Lock the viewport once you've set up keeper scale so that you don't accidentally mess it up when you activate the viewport later.

Now, here's the thing.  Most of us don't put our title blocks in the model anymore.  We just put the model there.  The title block is drawn in the Layout ... on the paper.  Then once that's done we cut the viewport hole in it and scale that viewport to see the model, or portion of it we want.

Mess around with this a bit until it starts to make sense.  We'll continue with more questions from there.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16.Jul.2012 at 08:35
Dave,

I still ran into some troubles with this. I think I'm getting ahead of myself since I dont even know how to take a drawing from model space to paperspace (layout). I now have a model which contains 3 different drawings, each with it's own title block. and I'd like to insert each drawing into it's own layout tab. I havent done anything with layouts, paperspace, viewports etc. So this part is new to me. When I open the layout tab, it just shows the entire model space. I tried copying 1 drawing into a new layout, but still got everything. 

It's probably simple, but it's eluding me. Can you give me a step by step procedure to follow to separate each drawing into it's own layout? Once I've got that done, I can practice with scale, plotting, etc. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11.Jul.2012 at 22:32
Originally posted by SugarCAD SugarCAD wrote:

In Page Setup is "Display Plot Styles" Checked?
It doesn't matter if you check it or not, but I always do because I will use named Page setups.  This can be especially helpful if you have a project where you want to print only selected colors... say, everything in black on white except for something you want to show with bold Red.  If you check Display Plot Styles and use a named page setup your viewports will display exactly as they'll print.  When they do that you really don't need to Preview as often.
 
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