i just finished creating the template files needed when starting new projects. i did just as you and snook suggested. in a separate file (my xref) i created a border with title block in model space, added the attributes, some as fields that will update the date, page number ect. automatically. i then started a new file (.dwt) that will be the main template where the numerous layouts will be and inserted the xref's into each. now when someone starts a new project, they start with the template i created, the xref loads into the template, using the xref manager they open and edit the xref to match current job specs, save and close, then save the newly updated project drawing to its new home, now heres what i am doing to avoid problems, im now going to bind the xref to the project file. this now cuts the link to the original xref. theoretically, the project info wont need changing. the attributes i created as fields will still update when ever i add new sheet layouts (thats cool). this was way more easy than trying to create sheet sets.....thanks for the help!!!

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